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		<title>By: hopefulmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopefulmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!!!  I am amazed at some of the negative things I am reading...my husband and I are &quot;forced&quot; to undergo IVF if we want to have a child.  You see a doctor, someone that I trusted, removed both of my fallopian tubes, on accident.  My world was shattered when I found out, day in and day out all I think about is why and how could he have done this and not told me.  Now here is the kicker, Arkansas is a state that mandates IVF coverage, which I agree with, however we have a self insured policy through our company so therefore the company is exempt from covering this procedure.  As stated before our taxes pay for all these &quot;ladies&quot; who have several children and are living on food stamps, welfare, and any other hand out that they can get.  No one seems to mind that sort of lifestyle, but when you have two people in a marriage and are tax payers and hard workers and the only thing they desire is a child......this too somehow gets taken from them.  Nothing makes me more angry than to hear a girl who gets pregnant from some guy she&#039;s had a few fun nights with then she decides to call her child a &quot;miracle&quot;...walk a mile in my shoes and you&#039;ll see just how much of a miracle a child can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!!!  I am amazed at some of the negative things I am reading&#8230;my husband and I are &#8220;forced&#8221; to undergo IVF if we want to have a child.  You see a doctor, someone that I trusted, removed both of my fallopian tubes, on accident.  My world was shattered when I found out, day in and day out all I think about is why and how could he have done this and not told me.  Now here is the kicker, Arkansas is a state that mandates IVF coverage, which I agree with, however we have a self insured policy through our company so therefore the company is exempt from covering this procedure.  As stated before our taxes pay for all these &#8220;ladies&#8221; who have several children and are living on food stamps, welfare, and any other hand out that they can get.  No one seems to mind that sort of lifestyle, but when you have two people in a marriage and are tax payers and hard workers and the only thing they desire is a child&#8230;&#8230;this too somehow gets taken from them.  Nothing makes me more angry than to hear a girl who gets pregnant from some guy she&#8217;s had a few fun nights with then she decides to call her child a &#8220;miracle&#8221;&#8230;walk a mile in my shoes and you&#8217;ll see just how much of a miracle a child can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Invitro Fertilisation</title>
		<link>http://www.thearkansasproject.com/greenberg-my-most-recent-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-3627</link>
		<dc:creator>Invitro Fertilisation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made some good points there. I did a search on the topic and found most people will agree with your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made some good points there. I did a search on the topic and found most people will agree with your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you&#039;ve never heard the term &quot;Walk a mile in my shoes&quot; because if you had walked in my shoes you wouldn&#039;t think infertility is an option. MY taxes pay for people who can conceive. MY taxes pay for welfare so they can pump out more. HOWEVER MY taxes don&#039;t help me ONE bit when you can&#039;t get pregnant. They only care when you can. Ironic huh? The same can be said for insurance. 

Insurance would increase by $20 A YEAR if IVF was mandated across the nation. My premium just went up $144 for next year in Texas, and guess what?? I STILL don&#039;t have IVF covered. HOWEVER, the SAME insurance fertile people pay to get vasectomy&#039;s, birth control, tubal ligations and maternity services is the SAME insurance I pay for. Not having IVF covered has devestated my husband and I as it is the only thing keeping us from having a family. Time is crucial in the infertility world and while I am in my late 20&#039;s my husband and I have diseases that prevent us from conceiving.  The cost is a lot to come up with even for wealthier families. Not to mention when something is covered by insurance it costs CONSIDERABLY less.  I wish I was as ignorant to infertility as fertile people are. Yes, you are mistaken &quot;infertility&quot; is considered a disease and has been for some time.  I do thank you that you did recend on your bill as it was brought forth in ignorance.  Comparing having a child to joining the military is comical. How LUCKY you are to remain oblivous to infertility. I wish I was so lucky to be sitting on the pedastal you are sitting on now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you&#8217;ve never heard the term &#8220;Walk a mile in my shoes&#8221; because if you had walked in my shoes you wouldn&#8217;t think infertility is an option. MY taxes pay for people who can conceive. MY taxes pay for welfare so they can pump out more. HOWEVER MY taxes don&#8217;t help me ONE bit when you can&#8217;t get pregnant. They only care when you can. Ironic huh? The same can be said for insurance. </p>
<p>Insurance would increase by $20 A YEAR if IVF was mandated across the nation. My premium just went up $144 for next year in Texas, and guess what?? I STILL don&#8217;t have IVF covered. HOWEVER, the SAME insurance fertile people pay to get vasectomy&#8217;s, birth control, tubal ligations and maternity services is the SAME insurance I pay for. Not having IVF covered has devestated my husband and I as it is the only thing keeping us from having a family. Time is crucial in the infertility world and while I am in my late 20&#8217;s my husband and I have diseases that prevent us from conceiving.  The cost is a lot to come up with even for wealthier families. Not to mention when something is covered by insurance it costs CONSIDERABLY less.  I wish I was as ignorant to infertility as fertile people are. Yes, you are mistaken &#8220;infertility&#8221; is considered a disease and has been for some time.  I do thank you that you did recend on your bill as it was brought forth in ignorance.  Comparing having a child to joining the military is comical. How LUCKY you are to remain oblivous to infertility. I wish I was so lucky to be sitting on the pedastal you are sitting on now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew

glad you pulled this and find your explaination well considerd and well written.  thank you for the clarification.  I have two friends who are now wonderful parents thanks to IVF.  They could not have afforded it without insurance assistance.  Injury in one case and illness in another directly impacted conception.  I guess Bill from SHeridan is one of those people who dont want to pay taxes because they do not have kids in school.  We all benefit from good people raising good children who become good citizens.   Thank you for dropping this bill.</description>
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<p>glad you pulled this and find your explaination well considerd and well written.  thank you for the clarification.  I have two friends who are now wonderful parents thanks to IVF.  They could not have afforded it without insurance assistance.  Injury in one case and illness in another directly impacted conception.  I guess Bill from SHeridan is one of those people who dont want to pay taxes because they do not have kids in school.  We all benefit from good people raising good children who become good citizens.   Thank you for dropping this bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one choses to have their dream of a family become a nightmare when fertility problems arise. 
This is a womens&#039; (in most cases a couples) right to choose the option of persuring their dream to have a family!  
My Greenberg, you obviously didn&#039;t have to take the same long drawn out road of seeking help to start a family, but having the science and technology makes those of us in fertility treatment feel fortunate to have had the chance to have a baby.

Thank you for having the courage to list to your voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one choses to have their dream of a family become a nightmare when fertility problems arise.<br />
This is a womens&#8217; (in most cases a couples) right to choose the option of persuring their dream to have a family!<br />
My Greenberg, you obviously didn&#8217;t have to take the same long drawn out road of seeking help to start a family, but having the science and technology makes those of us in fertility treatment feel fortunate to have had the chance to have a baby.</p>
<p>Thank you for having the courage to list to your voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS.  

Rep Greenberg,

Thank you for withdrawing the bill.</description>
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<p>Rep Greenberg,</p>
<p>Thank you for withdrawing the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Bluff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Bluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be more intellectuality in this thread.  

Mr ARPro Guy, I accept your task and am announcing the formation of a group to study whether or not small breasts should be considered a medical condition.

Effective on Monday, January 12, 2009, the Group Research About Breast Enlargement Merits (GRABEM) will meet to assign study topics to a variety of yet-to-be named committees.

In the meantime, I am soliciting membership in GRABEM.  To be considered for full voting membership, join us at Hooters at 6:00 PM.  Shortly after Happy Hour, uh, rather, the opening reception, Mr. ARPro Guy will deliver the &quot;Membership Code of Research Ethics&quot; presentation.  This will be followed up with a short slide show entitled &quot;Small Breasts, To Enhance Or Not To Enhance, That Is The Question.&quot;

GRABEM is an equal opportunity offending entity and does not offend on the basis of race, gender, or religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be more intellectuality in this thread.  </p>
<p>Mr ARPro Guy, I accept your task and am announcing the formation of a group to study whether or not small breasts should be considered a medical condition.</p>
<p>Effective on Monday, January 12, 2009, the Group Research About Breast Enlargement Merits (GRABEM) will meet to assign study topics to a variety of yet-to-be named committees.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I am soliciting membership in GRABEM.  To be considered for full voting membership, join us at Hooters at 6:00 PM.  Shortly after Happy Hour, uh, rather, the opening reception, Mr. ARPro Guy will deliver the &#8220;Membership Code of Research Ethics&#8221; presentation.  This will be followed up with a short slide show entitled &#8220;Small Breasts, To Enhance Or Not To Enhance, That Is The Question.&#8221;</p>
<p>GRABEM is an equal opportunity offending entity and does not offend on the basis of race, gender, or religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study Dan keeps referring to was conducted by the Coucil for Affordable Health Insurance.  CAHI are lobbyists for the insurance industry.  (see opensecrets.org)  CAHI called  President Bush&#039;s Plan &quot;Vital to Curing Ills of America&#039;s Health Care&quot; and call President Elect Obama&#039;s health care plan &quot;A Recipe for Doom&quot;. They are uniformly against mandates. Whether you agree with their positions or not, you must agree, they are not an independent source</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study Dan keeps referring to was conducted by the Coucil for Affordable Health Insurance.  CAHI are lobbyists for the insurance industry.  (see opensecrets.org)  CAHI called  President Bush&#8217;s Plan &#8220;Vital to Curing Ills of America&#8217;s Health Care&#8221; and call President Elect Obama&#8217;s health care plan &#8220;A Recipe for Doom&#8221;. They are uniformly against mandates. Whether you agree with their positions or not, you must agree, they are not an independent source</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy Dortin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy Dortin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Failure&quot;, something IF couples are all to familiar with.
Yes Dan, it would have been a &#039;step forward&#039; to know what mandated IVF treatments cost, in real dollars, to the insured of Arkansas and specifically who and how many are blocked or denied access to health care as you state in your response.

Your &#039;real failure&#039; was lack of due diligence before filing HB1017.

Here is one &#039;alternative&#039; for you to explore: list the insurance companies where you can purchase IVF coverage.

There may be a small number of families who can afford 20K or more, out of pocket, to hopefully have just one child.  They would not have been affected by repealing the mandate.

When the Arkansas Times asked Mr. Weiske if lifting the mandate would drop insurance rates 3-5% his answer was &quot;I don&#039;t know.&quot;  Yet he&#039;ll &quot;estimate&quot; insurers would have to ADD 3-5%, an estimate not based on &#039;actual&#039; Arkansas figures.  Huh????

Taking measures to insure the bill goes no further smells like someone trying to save their political bacon, so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Failure&#8221;, something IF couples are all to familiar with.<br />
Yes Dan, it would have been a &#8217;step forward&#8217; to know what mandated IVF treatments cost, in real dollars, to the insured of Arkansas and specifically who and how many are blocked or denied access to health care as you state in your response.</p>
<p>Your &#8216;real failure&#8217; was lack of due diligence before filing HB1017.</p>
<p>Here is one &#8216;alternative&#8217; for you to explore: list the insurance companies where you can purchase IVF coverage.</p>
<p>There may be a small number of families who can afford 20K or more, out of pocket, to hopefully have just one child.  They would not have been affected by repealing the mandate.</p>
<p>When the Arkansas Times asked Mr. Weiske if lifting the mandate would drop insurance rates 3-5% his answer was &#8220;I don&#8217;t know.&#8221;  Yet he&#8217;ll &#8220;estimate&#8221; insurers would have to ADD 3-5%, an estimate not based on &#8216;actual&#8217; Arkansas figures.  Huh????</p>
<p>Taking measures to insure the bill goes no further smells like someone trying to save their political bacon, so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kinkade</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Kinkade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only if they&#039;re dangerously small, Cameron. I may need you to form a commission to study this critical question. 
D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only if they&#8217;re dangerously small, Cameron. I may need you to form a commission to study this critical question.<br />
D.</p>
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