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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.thearkansasproject.com/greenberg-more-thoughts-on-foia-reform/#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameron you obviously haven&#039;t had many dealings with the state of Arkansas.  There are still many departments which are not properly computerized, and even if they are do not properly track data.

I hope all of Representative Greenburg&#039;s FOIA bills pass.  Open Government is a good thing, not that it will make it run any more efficiently, but a good thing none the less.  We especially need to get the Every Cent Exposed law passed for the exact reason you mentioned of &quot;losing&quot; taxpayer money, which should have the additional benefit of exposing more corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameron you obviously haven&#8217;t had many dealings with the state of Arkansas.  There are still many departments which are not properly computerized, and even if they are do not properly track data.</p>
<p>I hope all of Representative Greenburg&#8217;s FOIA bills pass.  Open Government is a good thing, not that it will make it run any more efficiently, but a good thing none the less.  We especially need to get the Every Cent Exposed law passed for the exact reason you mentioned of &#8220;losing&#8221; taxpayer money, which should have the additional benefit of exposing more corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Bluff</title>
		<link>http://www.thearkansasproject.com/greenberg-more-thoughts-on-foia-reform/#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Bluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, Mr. Legislator, don&#039;t hide behind trying to say agencies, boards or commissions might not have the information.  Surely any governmental body in this state keeps accurate track of the number of legal submissions they receive and act upon in the course of a year.

Wait, based on some of the recent legislative audit findings, they don&#039;t even manage to keep track of the taxpayers money.  If you use this excuse, you might just have a point after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, Mr. Legislator, don&#8217;t hide behind trying to say agencies, boards or commissions might not have the information.  Surely any governmental body in this state keeps accurate track of the number of legal submissions they receive and act upon in the course of a year.</p>
<p>Wait, based on some of the recent legislative audit findings, they don&#8217;t even manage to keep track of the taxpayers money.  If you use this excuse, you might just have a point after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Bluff</title>
		<link>http://www.thearkansasproject.com/greenberg-more-thoughts-on-foia-reform/#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Bluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, while we are on the subject, you Mr. Legislator, are now smack-dab in the middle of a legislative session.  A major segment of legislative sessions, as I seem to remember, are legislative committee meetings where legislators gather to hear the pros and cons of matters being brought before the legislature.

Would it not be fairly simple to do the following:

1)  Request from every state agency, board and commission the number of FOIA requests they received during the previous calendar year,
2)  Request a breakdown from every state agency, board and commission resolution of each request, i.e., complied with, denied, reason for denial, and any still in progress.
3)  Place all the numbers generated above into columns and then total the columns at the bottom of the page.
4)  Determine the number of total denials as compared to a) the total number of submissions, b) number of days in the year, c) total number of work days in the year, and d) anything else that stands out.  Items that stand out might be a single agency, board or commission that has a large number of denials, etc.

Use the information above to determine if there even is a problem with a large number of denials.  

I still say the easiest and cleanest method is to go to the legislator and have him or her make the request of the AG&#039;s office.  Of course, legislators would then be in the trick-box of either pissing off a voter or pissing off the AG.  Ouch, a legislator in a trick-box...no wonder this is why I get few answers about using a legislator in the loop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, while we are on the subject, you Mr. Legislator, are now smack-dab in the middle of a legislative session.  A major segment of legislative sessions, as I seem to remember, are legislative committee meetings where legislators gather to hear the pros and cons of matters being brought before the legislature.</p>
<p>Would it not be fairly simple to do the following:</p>
<p>1)  Request from every state agency, board and commission the number of FOIA requests they received during the previous calendar year,<br />
2)  Request a breakdown from every state agency, board and commission resolution of each request, i.e., complied with, denied, reason for denial, and any still in progress.<br />
3)  Place all the numbers generated above into columns and then total the columns at the bottom of the page.<br />
4)  Determine the number of total denials as compared to a) the total number of submissions, b) number of days in the year, c) total number of work days in the year, and d) anything else that stands out.  Items that stand out might be a single agency, board or commission that has a large number of denials, etc.</p>
<p>Use the information above to determine if there even is a problem with a large number of denials.  </p>
<p>I still say the easiest and cleanest method is to go to the legislator and have him or her make the request of the AG&#8217;s office.  Of course, legislators would then be in the trick-box of either pissing off a voter or pissing off the AG.  Ouch, a legislator in a trick-box&#8230;no wonder this is why I get few answers about using a legislator in the loop.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Bluff</title>
		<link>http://www.thearkansasproject.com/greenberg-more-thoughts-on-foia-reform/#comment-1620</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Bluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, for about the third time now, REP. GREENBERG, all I am asking is this:

Currently, a state representative may seek an AG&#039;s opinion regarding an issue of law in this state.  Why is it not easier than doing a whole bunch of legislation for the citizen who happens to be turned down to simply turn to his or her legislator and seek their assistance in filing an FOIA.  The legislator could 1) advise the citizen in the legislator&#039;s humble opinion, the FOIA is full of hooey and decline to submit the request to the AG on that basis, 2) advise the citizen in the legislator&#039;s humble opinion, the FOIA was declined on merit and decline to submit the request to the AG on that basis, or 3) agree with the citizen that something is smelly about the decline and issue a request for an AG&#039;s opinion regarding the legality of the declined FOIA request.  This procedure is followed time and time again.  Why won&#039;t it work here?

If I have a question regarding the legality of an issue, I may seek out my legislator and request he or she file a query with the AG.  Is the citizen who wishes to further the declined FOIA attempt not doing the exact same thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, for about the third time now, REP. GREENBERG, all I am asking is this:</p>
<p>Currently, a state representative may seek an AG&#8217;s opinion regarding an issue of law in this state.  Why is it not easier than doing a whole bunch of legislation for the citizen who happens to be turned down to simply turn to his or her legislator and seek their assistance in filing an FOIA.  The legislator could 1) advise the citizen in the legislator&#8217;s humble opinion, the FOIA is full of hooey and decline to submit the request to the AG on that basis, 2) advise the citizen in the legislator&#8217;s humble opinion, the FOIA was declined on merit and decline to submit the request to the AG on that basis, or 3) agree with the citizen that something is smelly about the decline and issue a request for an AG&#8217;s opinion regarding the legality of the declined FOIA request.  This procedure is followed time and time again.  Why won&#8217;t it work here?</p>
<p>If I have a question regarding the legality of an issue, I may seek out my legislator and request he or she file a query with the AG.  Is the citizen who wishes to further the declined FOIA attempt not doing the exact same thing?</p>
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		<title>By: spankmonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.thearkansasproject.com/greenberg-more-thoughts-on-foia-reform/#comment-1619</link>
		<dc:creator>spankmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s say that it&#039;s 1,000 rulings in Arkansas - that&#039;s three per day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s say that it&#8217;s 1,000 rulings in Arkansas &#8211; that&#8217;s three per day.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kinkade</title>
		<link>http://www.thearkansasproject.com/greenberg-more-thoughts-on-foia-reform/#comment-1618</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kinkade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That does sound like a lot, spankmonkey, but it&#039;s a pretty shifty number given that Texas has a population of about 24 million people. If Arkansas required the same rate of response for its 2.8 million residents, that would be a couple thousand rulings. That may or may not be a lot for the AG&#039;s capacity -- I don&#039;t know. But it sure ain&#039;t 17,668. 
D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That does sound like a lot, spankmonkey, but it&#8217;s a pretty shifty number given that Texas has a population of about 24 million people. If Arkansas required the same rate of response for its 2.8 million residents, that would be a couple thousand rulings. That may or may not be a lot for the AG&#8217;s capacity &#8212; I don&#8217;t know. But it sure ain&#8217;t 17,668.<br />
D.</p>
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		<title>By: spankmonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.thearkansasproject.com/greenberg-more-thoughts-on-foia-reform/#comment-1617</link>
		<dc:creator>spankmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2008, the Texas Attorney General issued 17,668 routine FOI rulings interpreting that state&#039;s open records law. That seems like a lot to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2008, the Texas Attorney General issued 17,668 routine FOI rulings interpreting that state&#8217;s open records law. That seems like a lot to me.</p>
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